The Bible says jesus was born in Bethlehem, as in "the star of bethlehem". He's Jesus of Nazareth because it's the home of his ancestry and family and where he was raised. Ever heard anything about "no more rooms at the inn, so they stayed with the animals", like in those nativity scenes that are all over the world come christmas time? It's 'cause they were visiting a distant place from their home when he was born. Alright just going to toss my two sense in here, you keep saying the reason you were about to be executed was because you were caught sneaking in with "the biggest terrorist in the country" yet Ulfric was not only already in Skyrim but was also arrested for murdering the high king not sneaking illegally into Skyrim so in other words you WERE arrested for sneaking in and were about to be executed for it I write this more for the benefit of anyone reading your comment than I do as a correction to you.
Of course, they are refuting both non-Christian historical and archaeological evidence that proves that this small city was in existence in the 1st century: a roman bath house, a Jewish dwelling, etc. It is neither good nor honest scholarship to claim that this city did not exist in the 1st half of the 1st century, but a biased desire to undermine belief in Christianity.
You would be better served in spending time finding validity to your Theory of Evolution than in trying to discredit a historical writing that has proven itself — to the astonishment of the medical, scientific and archaeological world — repeatedly trustworthy. I sided with Saadia for one simple reason: I took sympathy on her awful predicament due to the fact that I could relate to her after being wrongfully accused and very close to execution at the beginning of the game. I remember reading in one of the books, think it was called 'the great war' they mention the Alik'r warriors being the only ones left in Hammerfell waging war against the Thalmor, so I'm pretty sure Saadia is the one lying, but it also said that the Alik'r mercenaries and their loyalty can be unreliable.
Actually, the facts ARE on Kematu's side: The lore of the game in the books clearly states that Hammerfell separated from the Empire because the Empire gave up on Hammerfell, which turned out to be stupid for the Imperials because while the AD invaded far into Hammerfell, the Redguards ended up punting their asses back out.
Famous mercenaries which the prisoner states "if you know.. Further, a noblewoman who was trying to hedge her bets because she thought the Thalmor were going to win the war against Hammerfell decides to try to get in good with them and betray her own people, Many people have given a ton of arguments for and against, but the very clear winner to me is Kematu.
Saadia bet on the wrong horse and left to hide from her rightfully vengeful House. Oh, and of the many characters I have that have ran the quest, I almost always help Saadia if my character is male, but absolutely do not help her with my female characters.
All my characters about 20 loath the Thalmor. Second of all, stop being so ignorant. Be sides kamatu aint allowed in the city but saadia is so it aint because of there race then why are thay banned commented 7 years ago by anonymous. You have to ask yourself why are the Alikir looking for her? They aren't assassins they are similar to the Companions in Hammerfell. That's why I sided with them. Which is better? Are you looking for the moral compass or monetary benefit?
I see someone has already answered the monetary benefit, so I'll add my take on moral decision. It appears in the situation its the word of one against the other, since no additional information or evidence can be found. I sided with Kematu for the following very debatable reasons: 1. Saadia came off as crass. I didn't get the feeling an innocent women running for her life from assassins would act the way she did.
Understandable she is scared and desperate, but I still didn't feel I was dealing with a wrongly accussed person. She was very bitter after my discussion with Kematu. No thank you, or anything for trying to help her, just a stinker. I felt used.
Unlike Kematu who was humble and gracious after the capture. After Saadia's capture, Kematu shares a unknown before then reward with you that he was supposedly receiving when he got back. I don't believe he promised you any reward, just asked for your help, so didn't feel an assassin wouldn't offer that up after the fact and also tell you "Don't allow yourself to be fooled by a pretty face again, you're better than that. Kematu wanted to capture her in a public place Stables.
Then he paralyzed her, to take her back. I would think an assassin would prefer to capture her in private with the opportunity to set a trap for the one bringing her back to tie up any "loose ends. And speaking of public, the Alik'r were having a heated discussion with the CIty Guard about the woman and one of their members that had been jailed. Don't think assassins would be publicly meeting with the City Guard to talk about all that at the main entrance.
They would have left him behind, disavoying any knowledge of their involvement, and keeping well away from the city guard thereafter and keeping their mission secret and not asking random people on the street to help them and explaining everything that was going on.
Again, I understand these are very debatable answers and flimsy at best. But this was all I had to try to slide off the fence one way or the other. I killed the Alik'r, didn't liek the attitude much. They are in fact very good points. But here's my perspective: I think the best answer is riding on the stereotypical idea of what an assassin is. People who act charismatic and open are not always morally upright. There are silver-tongued and intelligent people who can be sent to capture someone.
They may not technically be assassins, but there is also no evidence to suggest that these men are not hoping to capture and bring this woman to a death that is meant to ensure their own personal gain. I think this quest was simply meant to be decided based on how you personally felt in one direction or another. There is no way to know which side is "better" or otherwise, and just because they don't sneak around like ninjas and were gracious and rewarding didn't mean anything morally to me.
It just meant they paid me for getting them what they wanted and tried to sweet talk me into doing it. Still, I sided with Kematu purely because I WAS aware beforehand that the outcome didn't matter either way, and that I simply enjoyed Kematu's demeaner moreso than Saadia's I-don't-give-a-hoot attitude towards me helping her.
Actually Kematu said he wasn't an assassin, that is just what Saadia said to get you to help her. I agree with most points, except number 2. He does offer a reward before you agree to help him, his words are, "If you help me I'll share some of the bounty with you". Anybody noticed that the dungeon where Kematu is located is called "Swindler's Den"? He just wants to capture 1 person. Normally I would have sided with Kematu. I finally decided to kill him and his mens, just to do the opposite of my usual way.
I realised by doing this that my character was deeply allergic to people trying to control others. That's what I like about this game, you make your own story.
I still feel quite guilty, cause I know some people will be really mad back in Hammerfell, and that maybe I just caused a diplomatic disaster.
I sided with Kematu on this one. He just felt like a better character compared to Saadia. Plus, if you do manage to kill Saadia while bringing her to Kematu, he gets angry at you for messing everything up.
No way an assassin would just get pissed and walk away after his mark just got killed. Just shows that his intent was to capture and not to kill, and on the other hand Saadia's goal was plainly just to kill. Now tell me who's the cop, and who's the fugitive? Another clue that they're not really assassins is the random encounter where you meet two Alik'r soldiers "harassing" a Redguard woman. They soon realize their mistake that the woman was not Saadia and let the woman free. Assassins would have just killed the woman anyway, just to be sure.
I think the reason they were hiding in the bandit cave was because a they were keeping a relatively low profile, or b the racists of Skyrim wouldn't let them stay in their towns anyway.
They looked shady because they were foreigners. If you want items and equips though, just kill Kematu and his men. If you just want gold, let Kematu capture Saadia and after he gives you the bounty just kill him. Talk to Saadia, get her reward, then kill her and loot her stuff. I was pretty rich at this point and had full Daedric smithed gear, so I only cared about doing the relatively morally right thing.
Went with the girl after reading the postings. If it has no affect on game play I would rather have another female around my favorite home town with a nice rack. Also I had just finished a set of enchanted armor and wanted a good fight. Easy fight if you decide to kill. Saadia tells this gambit was quite risky. Also, Saadia only contract player to exterminate Kematu, not the operatives. Actually, Kematu's team are many and well fortified in the cave i guess thats why they succeed at becoming famous women solicitors only Also, Kematu is obviously holding a reward, player did actual job.
I killed Kematu and his men. Then returned to Saddia, killed her and took her hoarker loaf. Best ending in my opinion commented 9 years ago by anonymous. I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say she did say they were bringing her back to Hammerfell for a public execution and Kematu did promise half of the bounty for her capture and would have had to pay that before returning to Hammerfell. Also, she didn't ask for the player to kill all of them, she said if Kematu was killed the others would scatter which arguably doesn't had since two warriors hangout near the gates of Whiterun at any given time and I still see them harassing Redguard women on the roads.
In the end, both sides are pretty shady and one of them has to be lying so the "moral" decision is tough and that was the goal Bethesda was trying to achieve. Well, I ended up helping Kematu and the Alik'r capture Saadia at the stables, simply because I felt that there was a higher possibility that she did sell out the city.
But I am working on clearing out all the caves and bandit camps, ETC. Wow, if I'm ever accused of a crime I didn't commit, I sure hope none of you wind up sitting on my jury lol.
Kematu didn't provide any evidence. Neither did Saadia. Therefore, given a lack of evidence, my reaction would be to let them both live. Saadia was ok with this so long as she could live in peace. Kematu, on the other hand, made it clear he would not leave Skyrim without her. Therefore, he forced me to kill him in order to stop an unlawful kidnapping.
Also, the fact that he was hanging out in a cave with a bunch of bandits who tried to kill me certainly doesn't help his credibility. And why should we consider that obscure walkthrough that nobody's ever seen before?
If you want an authoritative source, go to UESP. There, you'll find that, in fact, you do NOT need to side with Kematu or Saadia to complete the quest; either one is acceptable. Therefore, that walkthrough you linked to is inaccurate and thus completely worthless.
I helped Kematu and got a lot of gold, I think it was , I doubt Saadia can pay that much. Nicely put! Oooh a pissing contest! My turn, my turn! Saadia pays gold as well. I don't think anyone posting here can claim the high ground when it comes to having a life. I've got every house and , gold left over. My horse is also faster than yours. So there. There was 66 gold and several enchanted items.
I tried both methods, and in the end chose to kill kematu. The end reward for both is the same: gold. There is no clear indication who is telling the truth, and there doesn't seem to be any long term consequence in choosing either. The only good drop you'll get from Kematu and his men is potentially their swords. They aren't worth much but are one handed with 18 attack, which was better than my sword at the time.
The reason why I chose to keep my save where I killed Kematu and his men was because of the attribute points I got during the battle. If you have trouble with the battle though, it isn't worth reloading a bunch of times, just side with Kematu. You can loot the chest either way. Kematu pays more and seems more honest. The choice does not seen relevant after the quest is complete. These gentlemen from Hammerfell, the parallell to North Africa were on a police mission to take out Saadi.
So, for political reasons and for taking out a potential dark elf spy, I decided to take out Saadi. I talked to Kematu. Then I spoke to Saadi to lure her out. Once I was in front of Kematu, I realized that Saadi was back in town again. So I killed Kematu he stands alone out there and got gold from him and gold from Saadi :D commented 9 years ago by anonymous.
I killed Kematu. Also, once you kill him you get gold by checking him and i have heard that you get gold from saadia. I ended up getting both rewards by first going to kill kematu but after I killed most of his henchman he offered to give me reward to lure saadia to the stables so I said ok looted the cave then went back to whiterun.
After he captured saadia and gave me my reward I killed and looted him then used the voice of the emperor imperial race power to calm a hostile saadia who then gave me a reward. So I got both rewards but when I go to bannered mare now saadia is hostile. I killed both. I forgot I could calm her down I got confused and wound up killing the Jarl. Dont you think hiding in a bandit cave is a little suspicious?
They might be advanced assassins that mastered the art of speech and not looking suspicious and becoming likable in public. He might just be using his eloquence to get what he wants. But either of them can be lieing. And if they were going to capture her alive and not execute her, then her over-reaction to knowing him is unjustified. Idk, i thought how they associated with bandits got me.
I sided with Saadia. She is a woman. She can bear children. And "sell" woman to someone is low to me. That's pretty the main reason for me. She met main character alone and pretty defenseless against Kematu and his goons in foreign land. While Kematu is a man.
Man can rape women and force them do other things. And "another nail in his coffin" was: alright I came to Swindler's Den and ready to talk, but instead I'm ambushed by bandits. Bad companions for righteous course of "justice". I went with Kematu.
Prior to the talk with him that Bandit Marauder gave me so much trouble. His shots took out a third of my health -. If for monetary gain, a friend of mine actually played out a very benefiting result: Side with Kematu first and cheat Saadia until she's captured at the stable and we get g from Kematu. Then kill Kematu.
When he dies the paralyze spell he casted on Saadia will worn off, but Saadia will view you as enemy. Don't worry, cast a Calm spell on her and start conversation, she will give you another g. But I'd rather stand with truth than money I don't really need the g that bad For the following reasons I choose to side with Kematu: 1. The reason offered by Saadia for her exile was that she was speaking against Aldemeri Dominion. But Hammerfell homeland of the redguards has been in war with the Dominion for years.
If she was against the Dominion then she could just run to any unfellen redguard city. There's no reason she comes to Skyrim instead. She must be escaping someone else most likely. Also if her reason was true, it should be the thalmors instead of redguards that want her life. Actually, I think most redguards would praise her if she was truly speaking against the Dominion. If you kill Kematu and loot the body or steal if your pickpocket is high , you'd find that those redguards were indeed wearing Hammerfell official uniforms.
It seems that they are legit investigators while Saadia has nothing to verify her identity. At the stable before Kematu captures Saadia, he said to her "Not everyone can be seduced by you" something close , indicating that Saadia had tried her charm on others before me.
Someone asks why Kematu resides in a bandit's cave. Well, if you sneak into the cave and eardrop on the bandits' conversation, you'd hear that Kematu was paying to rent the cave, since Whiterun doesn't allow them into the city.
Also reasons offered in the Best Answer are considerable. I agree with reason 3 and 4 in that post. Of course these reasons are debatable. But combined with these above I'd say that Saadia is far more likely to be the liar here. Hope this helps. Do you side with Saadia or with Kematu? I gave him the blade. The bastard won't be missed in MY Skryim! Except the people who attack you in the beginning arent Alik'r men, just the other bandit gang who inhabited the den.
I went with Saadia because she was alone and I had to wade through ten or so kematu lackies that were trying to kill me before I got to talk to the "friendly guy". Also note the sneaky guy in the jail whose fine I paid was talking to Kematu, not going off to be a farmer or whatever. Maybe they're both bad but Saadia didn't engage in hostilities with my character. Also, just a thought. If you click on any of the sleep sacks on the ground it allows you to sleep.
However, if there are enemeis of any kind near by, Even crabs it will say you cannot sleep when enemies are near. I too, sided with Kematu. At first i sided with Saadia then i thought maybe not then i sided with Kematu then i found out she was a noble so she might be telling the truth in the end i lured her to the stables let him paralyze her took from Kematu then she woke up so i killed her also and looted her body in the end i feel i made the right choice lol.
I sided with neither. When Saadia drew her dagger at the beginning of the quest, I thought she was picking a fight and I killed her. Then because I felt guilty I killed the people in the cave.
Neutrality ftw! Yeah I kinda did the same thing. Except after I killed everyone in the cave, I still felt guilty, so then I went back to Whiterun and slaughtered the entire population.
The kids wouldn't die so I just conjured up a couple of Dremora lords to scare the shit out of them until they're old enough to be killed. I went to the Cave, killed everyone up to the boss.
Agreed to talk Sadia out of the city. Pickpocketed everything she owned including her clothes as she left the city. Gave her over to Kematu and then snuck around the building and killed them both and took all of his stuff. Not sure who was right or wrong but in the end, I think that justice was served all around.
And the reason I would lean more to her side of the story is that if they really were captuing a fugitive, why would the Jarl not turn her over with valid paperwork, and if she had tons of money, why would she be hiding in an Inn working as a serving girl. Am I the only one who read the ingame book about the Great War? It's stated there that the Alik'r helped fight against the Aldmeri Dominion.
So tell me, why would they assassinate someone for their enemies? Siding with Kematu is the only way, unless you're a supporter of the Thalmor. No, other people read it as well. The Aldmeri Dominion wants to dominate the world. They plan on taking over the world. The Stormcloaks are a small band of rebels whose only goal is for Skyrim to be free of foreign rule, to allow Talos worship in Skyrim, and to see Ulfric Stormcloak be crowned the High King.
Legate basically wants to kill you because she is bored and it would be to much trouble for her to double check why you were even there in the first place. They also accused Lorik of being a StormCloak when all he did was steal a horse. And if that means I have to join Ulfric to do it, then so be it.
Helpful tips. She said she was forced into hiding after an attempt on her life for speaking out against the Aldmeri Dominion, but Hammerfell successfully held them off until they eventually withdrew their forces. Why would Reguard "mercenaries" from Hammerfell want to assassinate someone who spoke out against the force they've been fighting against for years?
I doubt they would take the Thalmor as clients, so who would even hire them to begin with? Then I did some reading, which reinforced that belief. You can do the same sort of background checking-up on the wiki among other places. I've seen them in Solitude and Windhelm. I doubt Hammerfell mercs would scour Skyrim for an innocent woman. Sure, one is in jail but a lot of guards in Skyrim are corrupt, Markarth being an example. Hell, even if you pay for the guys release, the guard doesn't release him and mocks him.
Remember, Hammerfell is no longer part of the Empire and has held out against the Thalmor. It stands to reason that they wouldn't be permitted in Imperial-friendly cities for fear of Thalmor retribution.
As for being unwelcome in Stormcloak-friendly cities if such is even the case , I would imagine that has more to do with Stormcloak isolationism than fear of the Thalmor. I've played the quest every possible way aside from slaying Saadia when I first out her, and it seems to me that she's the Thalmor sympathizer, not Kematu. She is very lucky that the guards had a strong disdain for noisy foreigners forcing them to stay outside and being dependent on the aid of a stranger to get their quarry, and that her pursuers were forced to accost every Redguard woman on the roads of the kingdom in the meantime.
As for the truthfulness, I side with Kematu. Kematu is a principled bounty hunter.
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